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Monday, April 21, 2008

From the Mailbag

As far as the whole "non-screenwriting savvy friends for feedback" thing - I know you probably shouldn't attach too much weight to what they say, but aren't "non-screenwriting savvy" people your audience should the thing get produced? I think it's absolutely necessary to get feedback from people who know what they're talking about, but why are non-savvy people kind of not as valid (apparently, anyway)?

If it works on the page for people who know about screenwriting, but doesn't for others, that's a problem in my book. Is there truth in that?

-Worried in Chicago

Dear Worried -

This is a great question. In the Wave-inatrix's opinion, "non-screenwriting savvy" feedback is of limited and questionable value and here's why:

Ostensibly this is a friend, relative or acquaintance who is likely, because they aren't savvy within this world, be over-impressed by reading what for them may be their first feature script, and in addition feel socially compelled to be kind to you and to the material because you have solicited a trusting favor from them.

In other words, they don't get the format and they're trying to be nice. Unless you get one of those sour grape types who takes your script smilingly and then eviscerates it and you with a polite fervor because they thought you wanted "honest feedback", i.e., an excuse to rip you to shreds. Has anyone had that happen? A show of hands? I have.

But primarily, here's the thing - yes, the general public is who lines up at the box office and makes this whole enterprise possible, yes? So they do vote, with their behinds, what stories they like to see. So they are important. When you are coming up with your idea.

You can pitch to a few friends and see how they react, i.e., would you like to see this in a movie theater? That's a great way to test the idea out.

But once you've got the script written, there really is a skill set in interpreting the pages onto a mental screen. There are execution issues on the page that shape the pacing of your narrative and the arc of your character. Non-script readers won't be able to tell the difference between a well-wrought character arc and a non-character arc beyond - I dunno, I just didn't like the ending. Or something.

They won't be able to pinpoint what and where the problem is, they'll just say, I kinda got lost in some parts. When what you need to hear is - your structure is fu-barred.

Or - OMG are you going to get Woody Harrelson to play the bad guy?! Because a non-screenwriting friend will be tickled with that movie magic fairy dust and not really able to grasp how very, very, very far away we are from dreaming about stars for the part at this point.

Picture your script as a car at a car show. Yeah, it looks great from the outside, nice paint job, great extras, shiny exhaust pipes - but a real afficionado wants to look under the hood, right? They want to look at the guts, at the machinery, so that the exterior is frosting. Non-screenwriters can't get much beyond the surface and even if they do, their comments are nominally helpful at best, simply because they don't speak our language.

So, Worried in Chicago - in my opinion and in my experience, I would say that initial feedback should come from people in your screenwriting group or other online screenwriting friends. Pitch your ideas to your cousins and pals, but leave the under-the-hood checks to those who know what should be under the hood and why it makes the car so gorgeous on the outside as well.



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4 comments:

Christina said...

I mostly agree with this except I do have one astute friend who gives great screenplay feedback. She's a mechanical engineer and is great at analyzing, and says things like, "That subplot didn't pay off." Since she's read every script I've written, she notices trends in my writing too, which is helpful - like, "your protagonists are more active than they were in the first scripts." Since she's not a writer herself, she sometimes sees things that no one else catches in the big picture view of a particular script.

She doesn't write, but consumes novels and true crime books like popcorn. She's a fast, astute reader. I think that's what makes her so good at giving feedback.

So I wouldn't just dismiss friends and family outright - the oddest non-writers can have amazing gut instints when it comes to story. It's just improtant to test drive them first and gauge if they get the format and if they're even interested.

Julie Gray said...

There are always exceptions to every rule (not that this is a rule) but I think you are very lucky, Christina. If a writer gets feedback from a non-writing (or non-screenwriting) friend, you have to be three times as studious of the quality of those notes. Are they flattering you unduly because they care about you and aren't really familiar with scripts? Are they harshing you unduly because they have some hidden agenda? When they make comments, can you correctly interpret them to make the fixes you need? I'm not saying don't do it but getting feedback in this way is a double-edged sword. In a smaller note, coincidentally (or not) every SINGLE time a client has ever told me that their friends loved the script, the script was a hot mess. Not saying that closes the case or anything close to it, but I do find it an interesting trend.

PJ McIlvaine said...

Friends can always tell you what's right. You need a trusted core of readers to tell you what's wrong.

Christina said...

I think this one friends is the exception to the rule. Her feedback is probably 65% critical. I had to give her pass on the last script though as it was about marriage and she's in the middle of a divorce.

Ironically, I've found the most subjective and at times damaging feedback comes from my friends who are writers, especially if they're blocked. I rely on notes from consultants I pay or producers, and a couple of confident, prolific peer writers who live in LA and are on the verge of breaking in.