tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8496585120938599514.post4497772583712443639..comments2023-05-04T03:37:04.200-07:00Comments on The Rouge Wave: The Old Left HookJulie Grayhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14690487940378619749noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8496585120938599514.post-14382950337762304552008-04-06T17:18:00.000-07:002008-04-06T17:18:00.000-07:00Young Kim, in my mind, I always thought of the "le...Young Kim, in my mind, I always thought of the "letters of transit" as more of a "ticking bomb" than an inciting incident. Thoughts?PJ McIlvainehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15496990000619350774noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8496585120938599514.post-43490778590453901812008-04-05T23:26:00.000-07:002008-04-05T23:26:00.000-07:00PJ, This is why I disagree with your disagreement....PJ, <BR/><BR/>This is why I disagree with your disagreement.<BR/><BR/>I think you and I can both agree that the main conflict/central question is "What will happen between Rick and Ilsa?" and that's the sustaining question from the moment that Ilsa walks into his gin joint.<BR/><BR/>However, what starts the story is the fact that a letter of transit is in Rick's possession. If he doesn't have the letter, Ilsa and Victor go their merry way. So Rick getting the letter and his friend, Ugarte, getting killed is the inciting event to the story.<BR/><BR/>BUT inciting event isn't always about the main conflict. In Star Wars, the inciting event is the droids escaping with the plans to the Death Star. But that's not the central conflict.<BR/><BR/>In Chinatown, for example, the inciting event is when Gittes finds out the person who hired him wasn't the Mulwray character. <BR/><BR/>I agree with your other analyses. However, I can quote Casablanca quote by quote. I know my Everybody Comes to Rick's adaptation by Ira and Julius Epstein. And in this particular movie, I disagree.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8496585120938599514.post-55091706149633571202008-04-05T11:51:00.000-07:002008-04-05T11:51:00.000-07:00Young Kim, I hear you, but I'm still of the same o...Young Kim, I hear you, but I'm still of the same opinion. :)<BR/><BR/>Rayanne, it can be, but I've read scripts where the set-up comes first, then some type of catalyst or inciting incident.<BR/><BR/>Each story or script is different and what might be on page 5 in one script might be on page 20 in another. I'm one of those writers who writes from gut and instinct.PJ McIlvainehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15496990000619350774noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8496585120938599514.post-76925177375500591772008-04-05T09:23:00.000-07:002008-04-05T09:23:00.000-07:00Thank you for the post - some great examples.One t...Thank you for the post - some great examples.<BR/><BR/>One thing does puzzle me, so please excuse me if I appear extra dim, since I am working on crime fiction as opposed to a screenplay.<BR/><BR/>The HOOK= should this not be in the opening few minutes/ first pages of the text, causing the reader/audience to sit up and pay attention and ask themselves questions?<BR/>This would then be followed by the Set-up.<BR/>The Catalyst/Inciting incident would then be the trigger event for the action to start, just as you describe.<BR/>Or am I making this too simplistic?<BR/>Sorry if I have misunderstood, but I would value your opinion on that interpretation.<BR/>Thanks and RegardsAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8496585120938599514.post-56248840539122081222008-04-05T08:09:00.000-07:002008-04-05T08:09:00.000-07:00As someone who has watched Casablanca over a hundr...As someone who has watched Casablanca over a hundred times, I disagree with PJ's analysis of the movie.<BR/><BR/>The inciting event is when the letters of transit are dumped upon Rick and then his friend, Ugarte, is killed. Now he's stuck with an object that everyone in Casablanca wants.<BR/><BR/>The main tension is when Ilsa Lund and Victor Laszlo walk into Rick's Cafe.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com